well, for heaven sakes, jack lew was on wall street for a year. he ran the alternative investments at citibank and he got $1 million bonus to that and $1 million cash compensation on top of that. i don't begrudge him that. i'm a free market guy. but his boss begrudges people who made money and lew did that in one year. if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. >> well, again, he is in sync with his boss, president obama, and i think obama's willing to overlook those transgressions as long as you see the world the way he does. and in terms of governor dean, i almost think i'm re-hearing herbert hoover about the need to fight the deficit by raising taxes. raising taxes -- >> and cutting spending. >> raising taxes is not the way to go. and you look at europe, they're raising taxes, japan is raising taxes and the result is a disaster. as you know, if we had normal growth economy, say 4%, which shouldn't be hard to do after what we've been through, you'd get an extra $400 billion, $500 billion right off the bat, instant, painless. >> howard, what